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Those We Thought We Knew Hardcover – August 1, 2023

4.6 out of 5 stars 423 ratings

Winner of the 2023 Willie Morris Award for Southern Fiction
Winner of the 2023 Thomas Wolfe Memorial Literary Award
Winner of the 2024 Sir Walter Raleigh Award

One of
Vanity Fair’s Favorite Books of 2023

“A beautifully fearless contemplation.” –S. A. Cosby

From award-winning writer David Joy comes a searing new novel about the cracks that form in a small North Carolina community and the evils that unfurl from its center.


Toya Gardner, a young Black artist from Atlanta, has returned to her ancestral home in the North Carolina mountains to trace her family history and complete her graduate thesis. But when she encounters a still-standing Confederate monument in the heart of town, she sets her sights on something bigger.

Meanwhile, local deputies find a man sleeping in the back of a station wagon and believe him to be nothing more than some slack-jawed drifter. Yet a search of the man’s vehicle reveals that he is a high-ranking member of the Klan, and the uncovering of a notebook filled with local names threatens to turn the mountain on end.

After two horrific crimes split the county apart, every soul must wrestle with deep and unspoken secrets that stretch back for generations.
Those We Thought We Knew is an urgent unraveling of the dark underbelly of a community. Richly drawn and bracingly honest, it asks what happens when the people you’ve always known turn out to be monsters, what do you do when everything you ever believed crumbles away?
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One of:
Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Best Southern Books of 2023
Garden & Gun’s Best Books for (and About) Southerners of 2023
BookRiot’s 10 Best Appalachian Books of 2023
CrimeReads's Most Anticipated Crime Fiction of Summer 2023

"[David Joy] is a man who sees his homeplace clearly and who writes like his hand was touched by God."
The New York Times
 
"[A] bracing novel…both a murder mystery and a deeply intimate story of generational relationships and loss."
Vanity Fair

"A refreshing departure…Joy has a knack for heightening intrigue…. He’s like a magician playing a shell game, and it’s an effective way to keep readers on their toes. The book is filled with gorgeous prose, particularly when Joy turns his considerable talents toward descriptions of the natural world."
Atlanta Journal Constitution

"Unflinching and timely…Joy has mastered the high-stakes, page-turning Appalachian-noir style, and through this lens, the preconceived notions of life in the mountains are overturned."
Christian Science Monitor

"[A] searing stunner of a book...It's like a Nina Simone song that contains ‘an infinite sort of sadness,’ yet closes with a promise of hope."
Minneapolis Star Tribune

"Ambitious. . . Joy paws all of these familiar tropes with the subtlety of a lynx. He is a writer deeply sensitive to the humanity of his characters. Joy is stretching his wings like a red-tailed hawk and is conscious of what that entails. . . . His lean, economical style owes more to the bleak beauty of Larry Brown and Cormac McCarthy. Scattered throughout his books are character portraits as detailed and evocative as scrimshaw and nature writing to rival James Dickey. Joy knows how to set a mood. Even the quieter moments pack a feeling of menace." —
Journal of Appalachian Studies

"[Joy’s] a brisk plotter, well versed in mountain lore, with a sure ear for unvarnished, unstereotypical mountain dialect."
Wilmington Star-News

"Gripping, gritty, suspenseful, and fearless…this book looks to tackle some big-time subjects as they play out in a small North Carolina mountain town, including racism, community, and the weight of history." —
Garden & Gun

"David Joy uses both familiarity and pain to unearth the trust of our humanity in nuanced ways and manages to create a voice all his own….[A] page turner."
Southern Review of Books

"[A] thought-provoking read that deftly explores racism’s deep and complicated roots."
theSkimm
 
"David Joy’s new book blends Southern Gothic Noir and classic whodunit style with a complex intersection of race, friendship and history."
—Blue Ridge Public Radio
 
"Joy is a master of pacing, creating tightly wound prose, frequently delivering a gut punch and unanticipated plot twist in a single, well-crafted sentence….
Those We Thought We Knew is much more than a riveting murder mystery. It’s a gorgeous narrative that explores how racism, pride, and lack of communication poison and destroy relationships and communities." Salvation South
 
"With short, biting chapters and multiple leads and points of view to follow, Joy details the unravelling of a community."
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"Joy weaves the stories together and comes out the other side with a richly-layered vision of a small town living through the broader crises of a divided nation increasingly enamored with violence."
CrimeReads
 
Those We Thought We Knew [is] about an enlightened insight into the human condition.” Smoky Mountain News

"[A] wild read…Joy has a special way of capturing the communities in the mountains of North Carolina."
BookRiot

"[A] salient novel...Through rich character introspection and acidic dialogue, Joy masterfully encapsulates the larger conversation about America's hidden past occurring in the real world in real time."
Booklist

"The mystery at the novel’s heart plays out in an unexpected way, with Joy employing a deft touch to the plotting....An emotionally complex procedural that goes to unexpected places."
Kirkus Reviews

"[A] powerful novel that pushes beyond Joy’s rural noir to confront timely issues."
Library Journal

"Joy [gets] the reader invested in his characters and conveys a clear sense of small-town life."
Publishers Weekly

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Those We Thought We Knew is a beautifully fearless contemplation. The best novels ask the hard questions and task us to come up with answers. Joy is asking the hardest question and daring us to answer truthfully." —S.A. Cosby, author of Razorblade Tears and All the Sinners Bleed

"In every line of this outstanding novel, you feel David Joy’s deep connection to the mountains he comes from and the people who live there. With his faultless ear for dialogue and exceptional sense of place, he has crafted a beautiful literary crime thriller about belonging and betrayal in rural America."
—Paula Hawkins, author of The Girl on the Train and A Slow Fire Burning

"
Those We Thought We Knew is a screaming wound bleeding fiery poetry. This is a brilliant novel about racism, generational trauma, reckoning with the past, and the way awfulness tends to hide in the places you least expect it. A heartfelt, brutally honest portrait of the heart and roots of the North Carolina mountains that echoes the entire country. Powerful. Timely. Necessary. Read it." —Gabino Iglesias, author of The Devil Takes You Home

"In
Those We Thought We Knew, community is a double-edged sword: a source of comfort, memory, and belonging, but also treacherous terrain where the roots of intolerance and old ways of thinking run deep. Joy takes us into the hearts and minds of characters of all stripes—bad actors and do-gooders, cynics and true-believers—in this revealing portrait of modern America. Not many writers could write so unflinchingly or so honestly. Those We Thought We Knew is a book for our time: poignant, fearless, and best of all, true." —Natalie Baszile, author of Queen Sugar and We Are Each Other’s Harvest

"
Those We Thought We Knew is a dark cyclone in search of truth. Spinning the gritty complexities and colors of human nature with beautiful, immersive descriptions of the land, Joy writes both holiness and irreverence with the same weight and care. A writer to be trusted, he is one of our best." —Leesa Cross-Smith, author of Half-Blown Rose

"Remarkable for its fierce honesty and propulsive storytelling, Those We Thought We Knew holds a mirror up to both those who don’t want to be seen and those who desperately need to be, often blurring the lines between the two. As rooted in place as it is in the heart, this book refuses to fade even after it ends. A must-read novel by one of today’s most relentless writers." —M.O. Walsh, author of My Sunshine Away and The Big Door Prize

About the Author

David Joy is the author of Those We Thought We Knew (winner of the 2023 Willie Morris Award), When These Mountains Burn (winner of the 2020 Dashiell Hammett Award), The Line That Held Us (winner of the 2018 Southern Book Prize), The Weight of This World, and Where All Light Tends to Go (Edgar finalist for Best First Novel). His stories and creative nonfiction have appeared in a number of publications, and he is the author of the memoir Growing Gills: A Fly Fisherman’s Journey and a coeditor of Gather at the River: Twenty-Five Authors on Fishing. Joy lives in Tuckasegee, North Carolina.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ G.P. Putnam's Sons (August 1, 2023)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Hardcover ‏ : ‎ 400 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0525536914
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0525536918
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 1.3 pounds
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 6.24 x 1.3 x 9.29 inches
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David Joy is the author of the Edgar nominated novel Where All Light Tends to Go (Putnam, 2015), as well as the novels The Weight Of This World (Putnam, 2017), The Line That Held Us (Putnam, 2018), and When These Mountains Burn (Putnam, 2020). His memoir, Growing Gills: A Fly Fisherman's Journey (Bright Mountain Books, 2011), was a finalist for the Reed Environmental Writing Award and the Ragan Old North State Award for Creative Nonfiction. His latest stories and essays have appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Garden & Gun, and The Bitter Southerner. He is the recipient of an artist fellowship from the North Carolina Arts Council. His work is represented by Julia Kenny of Dunow, Carlson & Lerner Literary Agency. He lives in Jackson County, North Carolina.

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Do you know your own history?
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Do you know your own history?
Those We Thought We Knew is a book by David Joy that asks us all to look at our own history."Toya is a young artist from Atlanta visiting her grandmother in the North Carolina mountains for the summer and working on her Master's thesis. She creates a visual protest based on some history she discovers and when she finds a Confederate Memorial statue she does it again. Many in the community are furious.A man is found sleeping in a car. Deputies discover he is a member of the Klan and in possession of a notebook with the names of many prominent people in the community.After two horrific crimes split the county apart everyone must deal with unspoken secrets that stretch back generations."Joy asks a lot of questions here but doesn't provide the answers. It's up to the reader to figure out where they stand and how to truly live side-by-side with people that are different. What do symbols really mean to people? What is the real purpose of a monument?The NC mountains are interesting because of its history of independence. There were Union sympathizers and even British sympathizers. It's easy for thought to become isolated.Joy does talk about the outsiders buying up the properties and ruining the lifestyle most locals have come to know.This is a book that's crime fiction with a purpose. You'll probably guess the killer. Joy never gets preachy. He just expects you to think.More great fiction from Joy.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on April 1, 2025
    Lines that divide folks in Appalachia that are hidden in years of "just the way things are" makes the reader of this book confront the way they were brought up. Truths that are buried come to light. Amazing book that opens our eyes to what we just accept. Well done David Joy!
  • Reviewed in the United States on March 2, 2024
    I have read all the great previous books in the series and was expecting more of the same in this one but was rewarded with a wonderful story that goes beyond previous books and elevates the status of this very talented author. A young black girl named Toya travels from her home in Atlanta so her home town in the mountains to spend the summer with her grandmother Vess while working on her graduate thesis and exploring the history of her families past.

    One day she comes upon a Confederate statue in the town square and believing that it is a symbol of racism decides to deface it while others see it as a kind of memorial to their historical way of life in the South. This act creates a riff in the town with Toya at the center of the storm. Soon after two horrible events occur, the sheriff John not seeing a connection between the two while Leah, his chief detective does. This is the crux of the story while the investigation is pursued and we are introduced to several obvious suspects that are very well portrayed.

    The story is a good one on the surface but there is so much going on with obvious and latent racism. Deeper than that there is so much human love, hatred and guilt that are the foundation of all that goes on as told primary through the eyes of the sheriff, his detective and Vee a black woman who long ago learned to live within the boundaries of her society un like her rebellious grand daughter. The prose in this book is stunning and last few pages are very emotional, especially for those of us who have a short road ahead of us!......This book will make you think about things you may or may not want to but it is stunning.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on November 4, 2024
    In this story, a young Black artist returns to her hometown, a small village in North Carolina, to trace her family history for her graduate thesis. Shocked and disheartened to see a Confederate monument still standing in the center of the village, her investigation uncovers evil in places (and people) she never expected. Like Yellowface, this book also deals with racism, but with a small-town, Southern lens.

    This is the third book I’ve read by this author—When These Mountains Burn and The Line That Held Us are equally strong.

    Words I’m remembering: “I guess there comes a moment you start realizing that keeping your mouth shut’s the same thing as nodding your head.”
  • Reviewed in the United States on August 7, 2023
    I have read (and reviewed) every one of David Joy’s books since first happening upon “Where All the Light Tends To Go” several years ago. I’ll admit it, I am a fan. IMO, his novels are worth reading just for the quality of the writing.

    This one, though, in addition to there being sections of beautiful writing, wonderful images, and realistic and colloquial dialogue, is a damn good mystery. But beyond that, Joy has graduated from his tales of drug runners to a tale ripe with raw and rampant racial hate and prejudice as well as that more subtle (but deadly) bias that people often hide.

    He grabs us from the beginning with a powerful opening line: “The graves took all night to dig.” Novels are often remembered for beginnings and endings. Neither are easy to write and both are memorable here. But it is the dialogue and the interaction between the characters that most intrigued me in this novel, captivated me, brought me into the story, and made me feel what they felt — which wasn’t always easy, because the characters felt deeply and the novel stirs up some difficult emotions.

    I’ve seen it written that if a fiction writer stirs his reader to feel, the writer has accomplished their task. This novel brought me on an emotional roller coaster, including humor and fear, but the stark truth of much of it is damn sad. It is a very good novel and would make one heckuva movie.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on June 18, 2024
    I loved this book. The characters were well developed and each chapter pulled me into the next. I enjoyed listening as I read, it really made the text come alive.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 12, 2023
    The story told here is good and well done. It is a topic that takes courage to venture upon, and I salute the author for his effort. What got me though, was the stretches of beautiful writing, something I hadn't appreciated as much in earlier work. I see David Joy growing into another level of authorship in this book. Enjoyed it very much.
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  • W. A. Burt
    3.0 out of 5 stars Joyless
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on November 22, 2024
    Having read David Joy's previous four novels,I thought I knew him.This one proved me wrong.
    It needed to be leaner,the prose sparer and imbued with his trademark grit.
    Those We Thought We Knew did have a couple of standout characters but overall was largely forgettable.It culminated in an ending which me think there were pages missing.
    Let's hope his next book redresses the balance.
    Two point five stars rounded up to three.
  • Alexis
    5.0 out of 5 stars Très captivant
    Reviewed in France on December 29, 2024
    J’ai avalé ce roman en quelques jours. L’intrigue te tient en haleine tout au long et je recommande vivement cette lecture aux amateurs de littérature. La version originale en anglais ajoute un petit plus.
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